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Christians supporting Obama for President? Obama does not line up with any biblical ideals. This ad is propaganda to try and win the Religous vote. It starts with faulty logic because it says we should listen to what a man says, however it fails to mention we should examine their "fruit". Obama's fruit is one that has killed innocent babies, redefined God's covenant for marriage, and seeks to wipe out our religious freedoms. Wow you think that lines up biblically?
The people who are endorsing Obama are the likes of Brian McClaren, who's beliefs are heretical and loves to attack real Orthodox Christians with his propaganda. McClaren's hermeneutic is so flawed it is immoral. This is their little video, see if you can spot the problems,
hint they don't reference the verse, it is out of context, they only take two snippets of what Obama says, and they appeal not to truth but to..... FEELINGS.
So these so called Christians like McClaren who have said in the past that Christians were too political are now getting political..... there is a name for that.....
Seriously it is laughable, we know Obama's Pastor Jeremiah Wright and so we know the theology he has been taught.
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Now lets look at the real Obama
And this one is funny but seems to be accurate.
On the Media and Biblical Studies
2 hours ago
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Since I don’t have much time right at the moment I thought I’d make a brief comment here concerning your post. :^) I personally am not a big fan of the Matthew 25 Network (BTW, thanks for the link to their site, I hadn’t seen it before now), maybe I’m a bit more Hauerwasian than they are, or maybe it’s my political science and economics degrees that that inform me that this kind of association with Christianity and American politics is ultimately unhealthy. And even though I’m an Emergent kind of guy I don’t support this kind of politicking. (Matter of fact, I believe I have only one sentence of support for Obama on my personal blog, and that is incidentally more a comment on my opposition to Hillary Clinton than my support for Obama.)
I respect both John McCain (even though I won’t vote for him) and Barack Obama (who I probably will vote for), and either one will be a huge improvement over the current administration. So either way I’ll be smiling come January 20th.
Having now read and watched your post I think it’s sad to see a site purportedly designed to promote “Discussing Evangelism, Apologetics and Christ and Him Crucified” also promote political propaganda (and a really cheap political propaganda at that), and then of all things to tie that propaganda to ones Christianity. it's sad.
Here’s a thought for you Andy. The Republican Party… do they really want to see the end of abortion? Do they really want to see gay marriage go away? In 2004, the Republican ticket was heavily based on those two issues, and since they’ve been in office what honestly has been done? Karl Rove and Co. are very adept political manipulators, and they’ve used the Religious Right, but they are not in any way interested in ending abortion, and seeing gay marriage go away. Those two issues have been the greatest cash cows for the Republican Party that they have ever seen. They know that if those “culture war” issues were to be resolved in the Religious Right’s favor they wouldn’t get the votes they need to take office.
And, yes, I noticed that you didn’t overtly state that you support the Republican Party in your post, but when you vigorously ahh… “swift-boat” one particular candidate with political/religious propaganda, in a two party system, it doesn’t leave many options.
BTW, I refuse to wear an American flag pin as well. Thinking about it, last time I saw you, I don’t recall you wearing one either. I will be looking for one prominently displayed on your person next time we get together for coffee.
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"or maybe it’s my political science and economics degrees that that inform me that this kind of association with Christianity and American politics is ultimately unhealthy."
Didymus,
Well thanks for that shameless self promotion. Take a breath of fresh air and crawl out from under that emergent smoke tent for a minute and consider the realities of this current administration. We now have amoung others, a chief justice who values life resolutley. The courts have become the battleground for the sanctity of life on the national level, and the man in charge of the highest court in the land is now on the side of life thanks to God who worked through Pres. Bush. A man of your education should know well that the left has notoriously held a militant contempt for the pro-life agenda (talk about cash cow, ever seen what PP makes in a month? Why do you think that they support Obama with their blood money?). Perhaps the emergent rhetoric that you have been devoting yourself to, isn't so freethinking after all.
Well thanks for that shameless self promotion.
Comedy!
Well Servant, I will try to be more careful, in your presence, about what informs my point of view, and I apologize profusely if I offended you in any way with my “shameless self promotion”.
Didymus,
It is interesting that this is what you took from my comment.
"The Republican Party… do they really want to see the end of abortion? "
I have addressed this statement head on. What if any is your response, or should we assume you've been corrected?
What if any is your response, or should we assume you've been corrected?
Yes, I did read the other part of your comment, and I didn’t feel like responding to it… and I still don’t. So, if you want to assume that you have successfully “corrected” me, I personally don’t think I’ve been corrected. But, if it makes you feel good, or you feel like you scored some points against that emergent heretic didymus, well… cool, you can assume whatever you want (even if it is incorrect). [Going back to my “emergent smoke tent”]
My purpose for saying what I said was not to correct you, but to reveal the truth to you. I don't hate emergents or even dislike them. I do however believe that as a Christian I am called to spread the gospel and stand for truth. If I came across badly, I apologize. I guess my attempt at humor was lost in translation. I was simply addressing the statements you made to the author with the facts of the situation. I don't think you are a heretic, so far as I can tell. Do you believe in the essential Christian doctrines? Do you believe the bible to be the infallible word of God?
So far as this political discussion, which you and the author began: You have made statements that are obviously inccorect. Why not address these issues and put pride aside? You have a slant to criticize the author of his posts, but you seem to refuse to have your statements go under the same microscope.
Let me ask you this as clearly as possible: Do you believe that the unborn have a right to live?
Servant,
Your comments in some ways here are not making sense – what I mean is this, you say, “My purpose for saying what I said was not to correct you, but to reveal the truth to you”, “You have made statements that are obviously incorrect”, and “or should we assume you've been corrected”
So what you’re saying is that you are not trying to correct me, but rather you’re trying to correct me.
Why not address these issues and put pride aside? You have a slant to criticize the author of his posts, but you seem to refuse to have your statements go under the same microscope.
Okay, Andy stated his point of view, I responded with my disagreeing point of view, you responded to my comment by disagreeing with me. Andy has (so far) not responded to my comment. I am not assuming he has been “corrected”, or that he is refusing to have his statements “go under the microscope”, or anything, I doubt my comment has changed his point of view at all. (But I do hope that my comment helps him understand at least a little more my point of view.) You have stated your disagreement with me, and I have decided to not respond, and just let your criticism of me stand as it is. I don’t see how my not responding to you is a refusal to have my “statements go under the same microscope”. If you want my statements to “go under the microscope” more, feel free to criticize them more. I don’t need to respond to you for you to do that.
What it appears to me you really want is submission. You are here to “reveal the truth” to me, as you said above, I am to “put pride aside” and my “obviously incorrect” statements, and submit to your point of view. Now I don’t mind discussing things, and strongly disagreeing on things, but a “discussion” in which you are just trying to find some toe in to get a line of argument in which to just “prove me wrong”, I am not interested in. And that appears to be what you want to do with a question like - Do you believe that the unborn have a right to live?
The bottom line for Obama is that he is a baby hating supporter of infanticide. Anyone that can vote for someone like him had better think twice about their claim to Christianity.
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