Wednesday, July 9, 2008

Fundamentalist Mormons claiming to be the true Mormons

This article on caught my attention. Primarily because Mormons often assert that they are Christian because they believe in Christ (albeit a different one) and have his name in their title.

However this has now turned against them as they seek to maintain a view of being "Christian" and not being linked in with the Texas Fundamental Mormons.

"I don't know how you can't call them fundamentalist Mormons," said John Walsh, a Mormon and religious scholar, who served as an expert witness for the state of Texas during the FLDS case. "A Mormon is someone who believes in the Book of Mormon ... who has a belief that Joseph Smith was called of God in some way."

Doesn't this seem a bit ironic?

Full Story Here


etha1616 said...

Mormons aren't christians just because we have the name of Christ in our name (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints). We are Christians because we believe that Christ is the son of God who died on the cross for our sins. Out major difference with other denominations is we also believe in modern day prophets, the restoration of priesthood authority, and additional scripture called the Book of Mormon. It is another testament of Jesus Christ. I was raised a Baptist my whole life and converted to the Mormons when I heard and prayed about the message that was presented to me. I know that Christ lives and is my personal Saviour. I believe that the same church that existed at the time of Christ exists on the earth today restored by a visit of God the Father and his Son to the prophet Joseph Smith.

Lyricsdad said...

Well, being a former temple going bishopric member, I must take issue with your statements.

First off, mormonism does not teach that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, but that the true atonement was in the Garden of Gethsemane. Ever see the Jewish people have an animal sweat for their sins?

Your major difference is NOT the belief in prophets, of which we could debate their reality. Let me list out some of the MANY problems with your religion that make you non-Christian;

Belief that you can become a god (The sin that got Lucifer kicked out)

Belief that Jesus is spirit brother of Lucifer.

Belief that God is only on of infinite numbers of gods before Him.

Belief that Jesus was not always God but that He earned the right to become a God, like His Father did before Him.

Belief that you can be married forever and have eternal celestial sex and populate your own world.

Belief that God came down and had sex with Mary to produce the body of Jesus (taught by Brigham Young)

Belief that the Black race is cursed with their skin because of their lack of valiance.

Belief that we lived in Heaven as "sprit babies" of Mom and Dad god.

Belief in a priesthood that has nothing to do with anything revealed by God in the Bible.

Belief in baptismal regeneration.

Belief in a works oriented salvation.

Belief in different levels of heaven.

Baptism for the dead.

Temple sealings.

Temple ordinances.

And on and on........

Joseph Smith gave a minimum of fifty six false prophecies. Only one makes him a false prophet.

Your temple ceremony has NOTHING to do with the Temple of the Bible and your gospel is vastly different from anything found in the New Testament.

In short, you belong to a heretical church that offers NO salvation. You say you grew up in a Baptist Church, but evidently, you never understood the message taught there or you would know the problems within mormonism.

I understand your predicament. But you can repent of mormonism as well as your sins and come to a saving relationship with the Jesus of the Bible, which is a completely different jesus then the one taught in the book of mormon. Even Hinckley was honest enough to admit that.

jeff said...

Hey Leonard, Could you explain your last statment? "...saving relationship with the Jesus of the Bible, which is a completely different jesus then the one taught in the book of mormon. Even Hinckley was honest enough to admit that."
When did Hinckley say the Jesus of the Bible is completely different then the jesus taught in the bom? Never heard that before.

M. R. Burgos said...

Leonard, I like you already.

etha1616, Take for example the Mormon highpriesthood. Historically in the bible (OT and NT) only one highpriest existed at a given point in time. The purpose for God's highpriest was to act as an intermediary between sinful man and God. The highpriest in short would provide a sacrifice to God so that He might atone for the sins of the Jews, as Leonard referenced, and provide various other offerings. The bible tells us that Jesus paid the price and bore the wrath of God for those who believe. The writer of Hebrews tells us that becuase of His work on the cross, He is currently at the right hand of the Father in heaven acting in His royal office of Highpriest in the order of Melchizedek. The bible simply has no precedence for a mulitplicity of highpriests, and logic would beg the question; If Jesus atoned for the sins of believers, why would we need any other highpriest? With that said, the mormon highpriesthood is illegitamate and downright blasphemous. There is no command for any believer to engage in this office. It is an office that we are absolutley UNFIT for. In order for a highpriest to meet our needs, he must meet certain standards;

Hebrews 7:26 Such a high priest meets our need- one who is holy, blameless, pure, ser apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens..

Know anyone who meets those standards?

Lyricsdad said...

Gordon Hinckley made the following statement when asked if he believed in the Christ as taught in Christianity;

"No I do not. The Christ they speak of is not the Christ I speak of. The Christ I speak of was revealed in this the dispensation of the fulness of times."

This statement was printed in the mormon church news.

Full story here;

jeff said...


Lyricsdad said...

You are welcome.

Funny thing is that this is one time I have to say I respect and appreciate his honesty. Not something I could say about the man too often.